Austinist: Urban Development News: Re-Donkey-Kong!

Bob Dobbs

Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:31:22 -0600

First Agave, now Villa Muse. Will East FM 969 become the South Congress of the future? I think not. But I can tell you that traffic in and out of Villa Muse is going to be a biotch. There's only two ways out of that area (FM 969 & SH 130), and one of them is gonna cost you.

austin

Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:29:41 -0600

Bob, you are a DIPSH*T

tacoheaven

Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:28:28 -0600

Villa Muse? Yet another lame suburb. No thanks. Texas sucks. Austin is the only place worth stopping in. Why? Why. Villa Muse=global warming.

Bob

Tue, 17 Apr 2007 10:03:50 -0600

...and if I'd shorted Enron back in 2000 then I'd be a very rich man today. The light rail ship has sailed. Btw I was one of the 2,000 or so votes that kept the light rail plan from happening.

M1EK

Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:16:32 -0600

Hey Bob: It's still the only starter rail line possible in this city which would actually get enough choice commuters to be viewed as a success.

Bob

Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:39:01 -0600

Hey M1EK: The light rail referendum of 2000 was nearly 7 years ago. It is time to move on.

craig

Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:39:09 -0600

i-35 needs its version of boston's big dig: put it all underground, redevelop the top land. of course it'll never happen, it would cost billions.

yeah!

Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:33:23 -0600

wow, urban development needs a writer and M1EK loves to tell the world the "truth." i foresee a future divorce.

M1EK

Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:26:04 -0600

heyzeus, You had me until the "connect the in-town rail to the commuter rail in the freeway" part. That thinking fails everywhere it's tried - requiring a transfer to a mode which then runs next to everybody's cars without going where you actually want to go is a recipe for disaster. There's one (and only one) model which has succeeded in this country in the last 30 years: run in the street close-in to hit the activity centers; continue out of the urban center and hopefully join an existing rail right-of-way soon to raise speeds, before you run out into low-density land to pick up/drop off at the park-and-rides. This matches Minneapolis, Denver, Portland, Salt Lake, Dallas. One transferring to the other has failed - outside a few outliers like New York, people won't take a 3-seat ride to work every day; and the commuter rail by itself always fails (South Florida, Seattle, here). IE, unless you have to pay 20 bucks a day to park your car, even a transfer from rail to rail isn't going to win over many drivers. Only rail "straight there" works in the common case of abundant and relatively cheap downtown parking (like we have here in Austin). Light rail which never leaves the street usually underperforms (Buffalo, San Jose) with an occasional success (Houston); so I wouldn't bank on that either. That's why the naive fools who think we can just fix the 2004 plan by adding more segments of rail piss me off so much - commuter rail took away enough of the 2000 route that it's now impossible to build a successful light-rail starter line in this city without tearing up commuter rail first.

heyzeus

Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:12:15 -0600

Gotta go with M1EK - a rail line connecting UT, the capital, and downtown would have made a ton of sense, especially if such a line could be linked to a commuter rail running on freeway frontage to residential centers. Do we really need 3 lanes in each direction for frontage roads? Other cities (not Texas ones that is) don't have frontage roads at all, or have limited access roads, and as a result their freeways are nowhere near as ugly as ours, attracting development to pedestrian unfriendly highways instead of neighborhoods.

M1EK

Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:04:45 -0600

The other place where Duany swings and misses is the idea that we can build transit-supportive density and then go back and add the transit. Not gonna happen; if there's no rail transit alternative, developers will continue to build with 1 parking space per bedroom / per N sqft retail - you can't get there from here. Even when we relax the zoning requirements, very little will change until that rail transit is there to signal to customers/residents that they can get by with less than one car per adult.

M1EK

Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:03:07 -0600

Rob, TXDOT is legally prohibited from using eminent domain against cemetaries - and there's also a historic area in the way, too. (That's why the double deck happened in the first place). There's very little they can do; even the large 20-year-horizon rebuild they sometimes talk about involves largely reconfiguring the existing lane capacity in that stretch (not adding very much). I'd suggest just getting rid of the frontage roads - maintain ONE lane for property access if you need to as a perimeter road; but keep the traffic on the freeway where it belongs.

M1EK

Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:51:49 -0600

Duany is full of crap - Austin has enough employment density in the three central nodes (UT, Capitol, downtown) to replicate the light-rail success seen in many other US cities - IF AND ONLY IF the rail went directly to them (as it would have in 2000), and not requiring a shuttle-bus transfer (as it will in the current plan). The Feds rated our 2000 plan very highly on ridership criteria.

S

Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:55:48 -0600

The Villa Muse project, while maybe not the perfect design aesthetically, is a long time in coming for this city. Major production centers up until this point have been LA, New York, Nashville and London. With the right support from local government, this could be a major turning point for Austin's music and film industry...not to mention that of Texas as a whole.

shilli

Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:04:59 -0600

I certainly agree that something has to be done about I-35, but adding two more lanes would make it worse than it is now in every way. I suggest re-routing it around Austin (bring back East Avenue!). That plan might even make money if we paid for it by selling the land that it currently sits on (to condo developers, natch).

Rob

Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:24:47 -0600

Something has to be done about I-35. Its current design has destroyed the urban fabric. Say what you will about Dallas but the redesign of Central Expressway has reunited both sides of the freeway and improved congestion. We need to emulate what they did in Dallas and get rid of double-decked I-35 . Property values along Central have increased astronomically since the rebuild. I know if we do this we'll lose the asian modeling studios and Taco Bells but that's the price we have to pay for progress.